Both of these games have gone - to a better home I hope - and we'll be ploughing the money back into a new game - either Niagara or Stone Age. We'll have to check both out on BoardGameGeek to see what they are like, but Niagara has got a lot of thumbs up. EDIT - Niagara it is (Not Viagara as my friend thought I said!) - ordered via Battlequestgames for a good price. Can't wait to get hold of it!